i changed my mind beta

I decided that since I Violated my NDA for the Beta that I mentioned, I will NOT Test it after all (I clicked on the Decline Button), and will Test Windows Vista Beta 2 (using my MSDN OS Level Subscription) after all.

dont whip yourself too hard!
"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message

I decided that since I Violated my NDA for the Beta that I mentioned, I will NOT Test it after all (I clicked on the Decline Button), and will Test Windows Vista Beta 2 (using my MSDN OS Level Subscription) after all.

P.S. I don't think Beta 2 will be a Public Beta, However.
"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message

I decided that since I Violated my NDA for the Beta that I mentioned, I will NOT Test it after all (I clicked on the Decline Button), and will Test Windows Vista Beta 2 (using my MSDN OS Level Subscription) after all.

Don't be so sure about Beta 2 not being available to the public. According to a MS TechNet web site:
There will be opportunities available in the future to test drive Windows Vista. Check back on this page for updates.
Granted, it does not say Beta 2 will be public, but I have not seen anything posted on any Microsoft sites stating it will not be.
-- Jason
Applied but still waiting to be accepted for the Vista Beta Testing group. Can't wait to be able to play and help make it even better.
http://www.orderpcs4free.com/?r=878

"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message

P.S. I don't think Beta 2 will be a Public Beta, However.
"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message I decided that since I Violated my NDA for the Beta that I mentioned, I will NOT Test it after all (I clicked on the Decline Button), and will Test Windows Vista Beta 2 (using my MSDN OS Level Subscription) after all.

Would you mind providing a Link to this Website?
"Jason" wrote in message

Don't be so sure about Beta 2 not being available to the public. According to a MS TechNet web site:
There will be opportunities available in the future to test drive Windows Vista. Check back on this page for updates.
Granted, it does not say Beta 2 will be public, but I have not seen anything posted on any Microsoft sites stating it will not be.
-- Jason
Applied but still waiting to be accepted for the Vista Beta Testing group. Can't wait to be able to play and help make it even better.
http://www.orderpcs4free.com/?r=878

"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message P.S. I don't think Beta 2 will be a Public Beta, However.
"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message I decided that since I Violated my NDA for the Beta that I mentioned, I will NOT Test it after all (I clicked on the Decline Button), and will Test Windows Vista Beta 2 (using my MSDN OS Level Subscription) after all.

Didn't you say it wasn't under NDA...? Clearly this shows you know nothing about NDAs...
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Kevin John Panzke wrote:

I decided that since I Violated my NDA for the Beta that I mentioned, I will NOT Test it after all (I clicked on the Decline Button), and will Test Windows Vista Beta 2 (using my MSDN OS Level Subscription) after all.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/get_it.mspx
-- Jason
Applied but still waiting to be accepted for the Vista Beta Testing group. Can't wait to be able to play and help make it even better.
http://www.orderpcs4free.com/?r=878

"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message

Would you mind providing a Link to this Website?
"Jason" wrote in message Don't be so sure about Beta 2 not being available to the public. According to a MS TechNet web site:
There will be opportunities available in the future to test drive Windows Vista. Check back on this page for updates.
Granted, it does not say Beta 2 will be public, but I have not seen anything posted on any Microsoft sites stating it will not be.
-- Jason
Applied but still waiting to be accepted for the Vista Beta Testing group. Can't wait to be able to play and help make it even better.
http://www.orderpcs4free.com/?r=878

"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message P.S. I don't think Beta 2 will be a Public Beta, However.
"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message I decided that since I Violated my NDA for the Beta that I mentioned, I will NOT Test it after all (I clicked on the Decline Button), and will Test Windows Vista Beta 2 (using my MSDN OS Level Subscription) after all.

If Microsoft wants to throw me out the Microsoft Beta Program (for Violating my NDA), that's just fine with me.
I will still have my MSDN OS Level Subscription, so I will be testing Windows Vista Beta 2, just FYI.
""Scøtt Lovegrove [ScottIsAFool]"" wrote in message

Didn't you say it wasn't under NDA...? Clearly this shows you know nothing about NDAs...
Scøtt Live Messenger FAQs - http://wlm.scottisafool.co.uk/
Kevin John Panzke wrote: I decided that since I Violated my NDA for the Beta that I mentioned, I will NOT Test it after all (I clicked on the Decline Button), and will Test Windows Vista Beta 2 (using my MSDN OS Level Subscription) after all.

I don't know about that. If you violate the NDA, MS may remove what you have access to as far as the beta software. According to the info I have read, the beta software that is obtained via MSDN and TechNet are subject to different terms then those of your MSDN/TechNet subscription. Here is pasted info from the MS web site. I will see if I can locate it on the MSDN site as well.
Beta software included with TechNet Plus contain separate license terms that must be agreed to in order to use pre-release software.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/abouttn/Subscriptions/services/en-us/faqs.mspx#EEAAA
-- Jason
Applied but still waiting to be accepted for the Vista Beta Testing group. Can't wait to be able to play and help make it even better.
http://www.orderpcs4free.com/?r=878

"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message

If Microsoft wants to throw me out the Microsoft Beta Program (for Violating my NDA), that's just fine with me.
I will still have my MSDN OS Level Subscription, so I will be testing Windows Vista Beta 2, just FYI.
""Scøtt Lovegrove [ScottIsAFool]"" iwantalivemessengerinvite@googlemail.com> wrote in message Didn't you say it wasn't under NDA...? Clearly this shows you know nothing about NDAs...
Scøtt Live Messenger FAQs - http://wlm.scottisafool.co.uk/
Kevin John Panzke wrote: I decided that since I Violated my NDA for the Beta that I mentioned, I will NOT Test it after all (I clicked on the Decline Button), and will Test Windows Vista Beta 2 (using my MSDN OS Level Subscription) after all.

This is from the MSDN web site
a.. The product has not yet released. Many pre-release (beta) versions and release candidates are available from MSDN Subscriber Downloads. However, not all betas can be included. Some betas require special registration or eligibility. For more information about open technical beta programs, please visit BetaPlace, sign in to Passport, then enter using the Guest ID BetaReq.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/faq/default.aspx#subdwnld -- Jason
Applied but still waiting to be accepted for the Vista Beta Testing group. Can't wait to be able to play and help make it even better.
http://www.orderpcs4free.com/?r=878

"Jason" wrote in message

I don't know about that. If you violate the NDA, MS may remove what you have access to as far as the beta software. According to the info I have read, the beta software that is obtained via MSDN and TechNet are subject to different terms then those of your MSDN/TechNet subscription. Here is pasted info from the MS web site. I will see if I can locate it on the MSDN site as well.
Beta software included with TechNet Plus contain separate license terms that must be agreed to in order to use pre-release software.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/abouttn/Subscriptions/services/en-us/faqs.mspx#EEAAA
-- Jason
Applied but still waiting to be accepted for the Vista Beta Testing group. Can't wait to be able to play and help make it even better.
http://www.orderpcs4free.com/?r=878

"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message If Microsoft wants to throw me out the Microsoft Beta Program (for Violating my NDA), that's just fine with me.
I will still have my MSDN OS Level Subscription, so I will be testing Windows Vista Beta 2, just FYI.
""Scøtt Lovegrove [ScottIsAFool]"" iwantalivemessengerinvite@googlemail.com> wrote in message Didn't you say it wasn't under NDA...? Clearly this shows you know nothing about NDAs...
Scøtt Live Messenger FAQs - http://wlm.scottisafool.co.uk/
Kevin John Panzke wrote: I decided that since I Violated my NDA for the Beta that I mentioned, I will NOT Test it after all (I clicked on the Decline Button), and will Test Windows Vista Beta 2 (using my MSDN OS Level Subscription) after all.

You are forgetting about the fact that Windows Vista Beta 2 will NOT be Under an NDA, just FYI.
"Jason" wrote in message

This is from the MSDN web site
a.. The product has not yet released. Many pre-release (beta) versions and release candidates are available from MSDN Subscriber Downloads. However, not all betas can be included. Some betas require special registration or eligibility. For more information about open technical beta programs, please visit BetaPlace, sign in to Passport, then enter using the Guest ID BetaReq.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/faq/default.aspx#subdwnld -- Jason
Applied but still waiting to be accepted for the Vista Beta Testing group. Can't wait to be able to play and help make it even better.
http://www.orderpcs4free.com/?r=878

"Jason" wrote in message I don't know about that. If you violate the NDA, MS may remove what you have access to as far as the beta software. According to the info I have read, the beta software that is obtained via MSDN and TechNet are subject to different terms then those of your MSDN/TechNet subscription. Here is pasted info from the MS web site. I will see if I can locate it on the MSDN site as well.
Beta software included with TechNet Plus contain separate license terms that must be agreed to in order to use pre-release software.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/abouttn/Subscriptions/services/en-us/faqs.mspx#EEAAA
-- Jason
Applied but still waiting to be accepted for the Vista Beta Testing group. Can't wait to be able to play and help make it even better.
http://www.orderpcs4free.com/?r=878

"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message If Microsoft wants to throw me out the Microsoft Beta Program (for Violating my NDA), that's just fine with me.
I will still have my MSDN OS Level Subscription, so I will be testing Windows Vista Beta 2, just FYI.
""Scøtt Lovegrove [ScottIsAFool]"" iwantalivemessengerinvite@googlemail.com> wrote in message Didn't you say it wasn't under NDA...? Clearly this shows you know nothing about NDAs...
Scøtt Live Messenger FAQs - http://wlm.scottisafool.co.uk/
Kevin John Panzke wrote: I decided that since I Violated my NDA for the Beta that I mentioned, I will NOT Test it after all (I clicked on the Decline Button), and will Test Windows Vista Beta 2 (using my MSDN OS Level Subscription) after all.

P.S. I just logged into the 2 Microsoft Beta Website's and they removed my access to the NDA Beta's Only, just FYI.
"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message

You are forgetting about the fact that Windows Vista Beta 2 will NOT be Under an NDA, just FYI.
"Jason" wrote in message This is from the MSDN web site
a.. The product has not yet released. Many pre-release (beta) versions and release candidates are available from MSDN Subscriber Downloads. However, not all betas can be included. Some betas require special registration or eligibility. For more information about open technical beta programs, please visit BetaPlace, sign in to Passport, then enter using the Guest ID BetaReq.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/faq/default.aspx#subdwnld -- Jason
Applied but still waiting to be accepted for the Vista Beta Testing group. Can't wait to be able to play and help make it even better.
http://www.orderpcs4free.com/?r=878

"Jason" wrote in message I don't know about that. If you violate the NDA, MS may remove what you have access to as far as the beta software. According to the info I have read, the beta software that is obtained via MSDN and TechNet are subject to different terms then those of your MSDN/TechNet subscription. Here is pasted info from the MS web site. I will see if I can locate it on the MSDN site as well.
Beta software included with TechNet Plus contain separate license terms that must be agreed to in order to use pre-release software.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/abouttn/Subscriptions/services/en-us/faqs.mspx#EEAAA
-- Jason
Applied but still waiting to be accepted for the Vista Beta Testing group. Can't wait to be able to play and help make it even better.
http://www.orderpcs4free.com/?r=878

"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message If Microsoft wants to throw me out the Microsoft Beta Program (for Violating my NDA), that's just fine with me.
I will still have my MSDN OS Level Subscription, so I will be testing Windows Vista Beta 2, just FYI.
""Scøtt Lovegrove [ScottIsAFool]"" iwantalivemessengerinvite@googlemail.com> wrote in message Didn't you say it wasn't under NDA...? Clearly this shows you know nothing about NDAs...
Scøtt Live Messenger FAQs - http://wlm.scottisafool.co.uk/
Kevin John Panzke wrote: I decided that since I Violated my NDA for the Beta that I mentioned, I will NOT Test it after all (I clicked on the Decline Button), and will Test Windows Vista Beta 2 (using my MSDN OS Level Subscription) after all.

P.S. I also still have access to Windows Vista Build 5308 CTP (which is also NOT Under an NDA).
"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message

P.S. I just logged into the 2 Microsoft Beta Website's and they removed my access to the NDA Beta's Only, just FYI.
"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message You are forgetting about the fact that Windows Vista Beta 2 will NOT be Under an NDA, just FYI.
"Jason" wrote in message This is from the MSDN web site
a.. The product has not yet released. Many pre-release (beta) versions and release candidates are available from MSDN Subscriber Downloads. However, not all betas can be included. Some betas require special registration or eligibility. For more information about open technical beta programs, please visit BetaPlace, sign in to Passport, then enter using the Guest ID BetaReq.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/faq/default.aspx#subdwnld -- Jason
Applied but still waiting to be accepted for the Vista Beta Testing group. Can't wait to be able to play and help make it even better.
http://www.orderpcs4free.com/?r=878

"Jason" wrote in message I don't know about that. If you violate the NDA, MS may remove what you have access to as far as the beta software. According to the info I have read, the beta software that is obtained via MSDN and TechNet are subject to different terms then those of your MSDN/TechNet subscription. Here is pasted info from the MS web site. I will see if I can locate it on the MSDN site as well.
Beta software included with TechNet Plus contain separate license terms that must be agreed to in order to use pre-release software.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/abouttn/Subscriptions/services/en-us/faqs.mspx#EEAAA
-- Jason
Applied but still waiting to be accepted for the Vista Beta Testing group. Can't wait to be able to play and help make it even better.
http://www.orderpcs4free.com/?r=878

"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message If Microsoft wants to throw me out the Microsoft Beta Program (for Violating my NDA), that's just fine with me.
I will still have my MSDN OS Level Subscription, so I will be testing Windows Vista Beta 2, just FYI.
""Scøtt Lovegrove [ScottIsAFool]"" iwantalivemessengerinvite@googlemail.com> wrote in message Didn't you say it wasn't under NDA...? Clearly this shows you know nothing about NDAs...
Scøtt Live Messenger FAQs - http://wlm.scottisafool.co.uk/
Kevin John Panzke wrote: I decided that since I Violated my NDA for the Beta that I mentioned, I will NOT Test it after all (I clicked on the Decline Button), and will Test Windows Vista Beta 2 (using my MSDN OS Level Subscription) after all.

So which is it. Did you decline or were you thown out? Your two posts seem to contradict each other
"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message

I decided that since I Violated my NDA for the Beta that I mentioned, I will NOT Test it after all (I clicked on the Decline Button), and will Test Windows Vista Beta 2 (using my MSDN OS Level Subscription) after all.

"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message

If Microsoft wants to throw me out the Microsoft Beta Program (for Violating my NDA), that's just fine with me. I will still have my MSDN OS Level Subscription, so I will be testing Windows Vista Beta 2, just FYI.

He was thrown out - just checked.
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--: Original message follows :-- "Mike" wrote in message

So which is it. Did you decline or were you thown out? Your two posts seem to contradict each other
"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message I decided that since I Violated my NDA for the Beta that I mentioned, I will NOT Test it after all (I clicked on the Decline Button), and will Test Windows Vista Beta 2 (using my MSDN OS Level Subscription) after all.
"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message If Microsoft wants to throw me out the Microsoft Beta Program (for Violating my NDA), that's just fine with me. I will still have my MSDN OS Level Subscription, so I will be testing Windows Vista Beta 2, just FYI.